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Friday, November 18, 2005

Creationism and Evolutionism

Firstly, I must apologize for the lack of posts. This blogging thing is harder than it looks. I'll try to do better. Anyway here's a new post.

Last night I went with some friends to a debate that was being held at the University. The debate was on Creation and Evolution, although both sides believed in Intelligent design. In fact, an interesting twist was that both sides were Christians, something I was definitely not expecting.

The Creationists main argument centered on the fact that, in his opinion, evolutionists interpret the evidence to fit their specific agenda. He also suggested they see based on the present and not the past. I was convinced, there was no doubt about it. I was ready to accept that I was a stark-raving, bible-thumping Fundamentalist. Then the evolutionist began his argument. He was completely not what I was expecting. He spoke honestly and intimately about his conversion. He presented his argument humbly and respected the authority of the Biblical text. His view was that part of the majesty of God's creation was the way he made it to evolve. He gave evidence countering the creationists view and I was now convinced. I had moved into the modern age. I was a liberal-funadamentalist bashing evolutionist.

Then there was a period of questions. My position would switch depending on who was talking. By the end I was thoroughly confused. What did I believe? Finally, everyone had to vote for one side. I chose to vote for the creationist. The creationist managed to counter almost every point the evolutionist made and firmly demonstrated the weakness in the evolutionist's argument. If I don't have a reason to read the biblical account a new way then I see no reason for me to diverge from the traditional interpretation that has worked for the last three thousand years.

In the end I think there are more important things we should be focusing on. I'm not sure God himself is out to make us read Seven-Day creationism literally rather than metaphorically. We should remember that he created what we see and recognize the significance that there exists someone who is bigger than us. Remembering this shows us there is a being who knows what we need more than ourselves because he created us.

4 Comments:

Blogger Kyle said...

It would surprise you that I have an opinion on the matter :-) I'm not certain to what level of evolution this guy was a proponent of but here are the problems I run into with the "christian evolutionists" I've read:

1. I completely disagree with is that Genesis is some sort of metaphor or allegory. If you believe that to be true then you don't believe the geneology of the bible. Which means you don't believe in the adam and eve family tree. So at what point does the bible cease to be an allegory and become fact? At what point in that family tree did those become become real? They are certainly real as far as the Bible is concerned. How can we believe in the existence of Abraham if we don't believe he had real parents? Just doesn't hold water for me.

2. The Bible is quite clear that we were created in God's image. Not in the image of some simple organism that would eventually mutate into his image and then once there...stop mutating.

3. Evolution states that light(the sun) came in the big bang, their "point of creation". If we believe the bible to be at the very least perfect in order than we believe that light came *after* the earth had been created, on the 4th day(Gensis 1:16). If we don't believe the Bible's order than we don't believe it in any way historical. So now we've crossed off it's geneology and historical relevance for no other reason than we just don't understand how God created this place. Or even worse, that we don't believe he *could* have done it the way the bible says. That's a dangerous line I choose not to toe.

4. The fundamental belief of "christian evolutionists" that God set in the order of evolution goes against what I know the character of God to be. God created man for relationship. He sent his Son to die for relationship. And they would have us believe that our God, so passionately in love with us and wanting our relationship would simply create a evolutionary order and sit on the sidelines for millions of years until we mutated into something he desired relationship with? I find that simply ludicrous.

In conclusion I believe the Bible to be the word of God, perfect in order. What detail is not in there I cannot say is perfect, but what is there I know to be true. And what's there I see as contrary to the evolutionist, specifically christian evolutionist, beliefs.

Wish I could have been there Baz, sounds like a good discussion. What would you say the majority took away?

Fri Nov 18, 04:36:00 PM GMT

 
Blogger Kyle said...

oh an to those who'd say well maybe each day is 1 million years. Genesis 1:16 defines "day" for us when it says God created 2 great lights to divide the day. Nobody on this earth will tell you that the sun rotated around the earth any slower millions of years ago. So we know a day then was just as long as a day now. And the author defines the very word he's using in the same scripture. So I can't buy the argument that a day is some other long measure of time.

Glad you're posting again Barrie...my brain was growing cob webs.

Fri Nov 18, 04:43:00 PM GMT

 
Blogger Barrie said...

Super post Kyle, I was going to ask the evolution guy about your second point but never got the chance. I would say it was about 50/50 Christian to non-Christian. The final results of the vote at the end were Creationists 49, Evolutionists 46 and 12 abstained. Listening to some of the questions it was obvious that some people were caught off guard by fact that both of the guys were Christians. I think most people came away seeing that trusting evolution requires as much, if not greater, faith than if you trust the biblical account.

After the debate one of my friends went to talk to the Evolutionist. While we were waiting we listened to another girl's questions. She seemed suprised that a "Christian" could be an evolutionist as well. The discussion between her and the evolutionist was really quite good. She had all these ideas about the bible being misogynistic, against sex, ect. The "Christian evolutionist" really did doa good job at correcting her views and encouraged her to read the bible for herself. She seemed very open. I definitly couldn't fault him for his witness even if his argument was rubbish.

Fri Nov 18, 06:43:00 PM GMT

 
Blogger billy said...

Great post Barrie! I laughed like crazy because I live the same nuerosis depending on who i am listening to sometimes. I love your thoughts about having a great witness in spite of a rubish arguement. I pray that my witness to Jesus, his person, power, presence, kingdom and essential message would be intact regardless of how a make my arguements for other things.

Miss you in SB! Pray you are well.
Blessings,
PB

Fri Nov 18, 08:13:00 PM GMT

 

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